2. 1. Dadl ar Araith y Frenhines

Part of the debate – Senedd Cymru am 1:18 pm ar 6 Gorffennaf 2016.

Danfonwch hysbysiad imi am ddadleuon fel hyn

Photo of Carwyn Jones Carwyn Jones Labour 1:18, 6 Gorffennaf 2016

Diolch yn fawr, Lywydd. A gaf i groesawu’r Ysgrifennydd Gwladol yn ôl i’r Cynulliad ac i’r Siambr hon? Mae’r berthynas rhyngof i a fe, wrth gwrs, yn mynd yn ôl flynyddoedd, o achos y ffaith ein bod ni wedi sefyll yn erbyn ein gilydd ddwywaith mewn etholiadau, ac felly rŷm ni’n mynd yn ôl 17 o flynyddoedd, i’r amser y cwrddon ni yma am y tro cyntaf.

Can I welcome, as I said, the Secretary of State back to the Chamber? It did strike me that he has already achieved something that at least two of his predecessors failed to do, in that he has managed to deliver a speech without being heckled. [Laughter.] I know that was not the case with his predecessor, and indeed not the case with the predecessor before that, the Member of Parliament for Clwyd West, who I think was heckled by his own side when he came to this Chamber.

Could I thank him for the presentation he has given us in terms of the UK Government’s plans for a legislative programme? Of course, the leader of the house will respond fully at the end of the debate, and so it falls to me to make some observations. The Wales Bill, of course, has occupied the time of this house for many, many months, and it will, of course, do the same for the Commons and the Lords in the months to come. I start from the basis that the Bill that was previously introduced in Parliament was so badly flawed that it was effectively unworkable. This Bill is not in that category. There’s much to do with it, but the obsession with keeping the single legal jurisdiction led to the previous Bill being a Bill that would have removed powers from this Assembly that the people of Wales themselves voted for in 2011.

There are some areas, of course, where there will be dispute. I cannot agree with his view in terms of the jurisdiction. The Bill itself devolves most of the criminal law. In those circumstances, it would seem to me that that increases the argument, or gives weight to the argument, that there should be, in time, a different jurisdiction. Otherwise, this will be the only common-law jurisdiction in the known universe where there are two entirely separate systems of law that operate in a particular area.

There are issues anyway, already, for lawyers and for judges. Lawyers have to be aware that even though they may be qualified in a jurisdiction, there are different sets of laws that apply within that jurisdiction; it’s the same for judges. I do not think—