Part of the debate – Senedd Cymru am 5:38 pm ar 17 Ionawr 2017.
Dylai cyrhaeddiad cenedl fod yn fwy na’i gafael. Dyna eiriau Elystan Morgan, wrth annog San Steffan i fabwysiadu ymagwedd uchelgeisiol i’r Bil hwn.
But in looking at this Bill, I see a lack of ambition—a lack of the kind of ambition that was contained in that comment. There are a range of powers here that are useful, but not the wide range of powers that I would’ve liked to have seen included. The legislation is, in several instances, a retrograde step, as we have already heard in the debate. We will be introducing a Bill for trade unions that wouldn’t be possible under this new settlement. And in my opinion, and I’m sure that several people in the Chamber share this view, devolution should be an incremental process, a step-by-step process, a gradual process, but in one direction. So, the loss of that principle is very important.
This isn’t the Bill that I would want to see before us today; I would want to see the Welsh Government legislation that was introduced last year in the Chamber today, with a range of powers that is fitting for Wales, with a clear point of view in terms of the settlement, and which would move us towards parity with the Scottish and Northern Ireland parliaments. But, that was rejected by the Secretary of State and by the Conservative Government.
So, I have no enthusiasm, coming here today, to look at this Bill, but there are strengths in the legislation, and we have to acknowledge those positive aspects of the Bill. Moving from a conferred-powers model to a reserved-powers model overturns that starting point in terms of the constitution. We start from a completely different point of view, despite that long list of reservations that, in several instances, are inappropriate. But this new principle does give us a foundation to build upon in the coming years—in terms of jurisdiction, certainly, but also in terms of getting rid of those reservations that are such a burden on this Bill.
In my opinion, that wouldn’t be entirely sufficient, if it weren’t for that question that is the context of this debate and all political debates that we have here in Wales, namely that question of Brexit. I think that we underestimate at our peril—despite the comments that we have heard today, this morning, from Theresa May, mentioned in the Chamber already—we underestimate the risk to the devolution settlement that will emanate from that process of leaving the European Union. I don’t think for a second that the instinct of the Westminster Government or this Prime Minister is in favour of any process that would easily allow Wales to receive the powers from Brussels that we deserve and that are our right.
The opposition leader has talked about the image of the UK and Wales that the Prime Minister wants to see, and nobody on this side of the Chamber would want to see that. That’s why it’s so important that we strengthen our position for that coming debate. That’s why it’s so important that we do have the Sewel convention, which gives us equality with Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the opportunity for us to be able to argue our case against the Government in Westminster.
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